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Trish Hadley from Chilliwack writes:
Would not recommend this deactivated Road for a truck - you need high clearance or a short box. We made it up in our chev, but I would recommend a smaller Toyota or jeep to make the trek. Hike was beautiful. Not worth the road.
Posted: July 11, 2023 09:32:51 AM PST
C from Vancouver writes:
We tried to complete this hike yesterday. Unfortunately halfway up the mountain the road was not passable with our toyota tacoma with goodyear wrangler tires. We attempted to get past one spot 4 times before giving up and parking nearby (Approx 4km from trail head) This turned what should have been a 9km hike into a 17km hike with probably 1300m elevation gain. We made it up to the first snow pack before turning around. Returning to the vehicle there were 5 other trucks some with a fair bit more clearance than ours parked alongside!
Posted: June 30, 2023 06:14:17 AM PST
Tanisha from Burnaby writes:
There is still snow. We arrived and couldn’t even make it to the parking lot in our vehicle. You will need snow shoes if you want to make it, or wait until the snow has melted to go. Still a beautiful drive though (but you have to have 4x4)!
Posted: June 13, 2021 12:12:25 AM PST
Kiran Sandhu from Abbotsford writes:
Does anyone know if May would be a good time for cheam mountain hike? Concerned about snow on the road and trail?
Thanks.
Posted: April 22, 2021 09:49:12 AM PST
Hannie from Port moody writes:
I know it say till October is it because of weather? Can you still go now or it is close till next year?
Posted: November 12, 2020 09:20:04 PM PST
Hannie from Port moody writes:
I know it say till October is it because of weather? Can you still go now or it is close till next year?
Posted: November 12, 2020 08:51:28 PM PST
Hannie from Port moody writes:
I know it say till October is it because of weather? Can you still go now or it is close till next year?
Posted: November 12, 2020 02:10:51 PM PST
Eddie from Vancouver writes:
I went up on Oct. 22 and the road was closed. Didn't see any signs. I had gotten halfway up Chipmunk creek forest service road when the road was blocked by a big truck. Seemed like they were logging. No clue how long it's gonna go on for.
Posted: October 23, 2020 03:04:12 PM PST
Cole DeFehr from Abbotsford writes:
Will start this post with a notice about the wildlife: BEARS ARE ACTIVE!
We saw two black bears on our hike today, one was about 100ft south of the first little pond about 10 mins from the trailhead, and the second was up in the alpine meadow areas towards Lady Peak, above the trail. However, on our way back he had made his way down BELOW the hiking trail and was moving quickly. With snow now starting to coat the high alpine, the bears will be more active in the lower meadow areas feasting on all the berries they can get their hands on for the next few weeks. If you are planning to hike Cheam before snow cover begins to thoroughly take over, be VERY aware of your surroundings and if you bring a dog, keeping it on leash is a must.
The trail was snow free up until the saddle between Cheam and Lady. It was spotty thin coverage there, but as you progress upward toward the summit, snow coverage becomes more consistent. By the time you reach the summit, you will not see any proper trail as it will be fully covered.
The road is best tackled with a high clearance vehicle. Some of the washouts are steep. A truck is best but many mid sized and compact SUVs out there would be manageable as well.
Posted: October 12, 2020 08:24:04 PM PST
Hillary from Surrey writes:
Hey so I'm planning this hike and have done lots of research and I'm dying to seeing it at sunrise. So that the plan early riser get the view I'm sure they say. I have a car so I'm not going to attempt to drive up to the trail head. I was just going to go till I couldn't then pull over and walk the rest of the way to the trailhead, is that a good idea? I'll be there early so it will be dark I just was more worried about coming back and my car being towed. Any suggestions would be great. I am an experienced hiker so I' not worried about that part just the where to leave the car
Posted: September 30, 2020 02:33:16 PM PST
Geraldine from Richmond writes:
Was there yesterday. The grind to the top was so worth the view. We took our 4x4 Honda CRV and we were able to make it to the trailhead. But you gotta have an experienced driver who can traverse the many crater-like dips in the road. Definitely go in the end of Summer when the logging roads are more easier to maneuver. For me, the hike is between Intermediate to Difficult. You have to be fit to tackle this one. Lots of loose rocks in the last quarter of the hike so be really careful. I honestly got a bit scared a bit because just one slip is all it takes. DON'T take the shortcuts!!! Not only do you trample on sensitive vegetation but they're mostly steep and dangerous! Bring lots of water!!!! Some only had a 500ml bottle of water and it won't last you half the hike. Dehydration will set in. And please please pack up your garbage back with you. We brought 2 plastic bags of garbage back because we were just appalled at the disrespect. Overall, the view is so worth the gruelling hike.
Posted: September 9, 2020 02:32:23 PM PST
Dan Schneider from White Rock writes:
Just did this hike Aug 30/20.. It takes about 4-4 1/2 hours with regular breaks, pictures and a normal pace. It's definitely a good workout and as you can see from the pics that everyone leaves on here it's beautiful..
I've seen comments on here about the drive up from the start of the forest service Rd. It's 11 k to the parking lot (someone had it at 8). That 11 k took 40 minutes in a 2008 Ford Escape with a rookie behind the wheel (me haha).I barely had the 4wd activated. It's rough but not that bad (not withstanding the pic of the upside down truck, don't know that story)
Be mindful of the fact that it is BUSY up there. Got there at 10 am and had to park about 100 m from the parking lot. When we finished there were cars a LOT farther away than that. Plan accordingly. Do it!!
Posted: August 30, 2020 08:06:50 PM PST
Joshua Schierling from Chilliwack writes:
The Mountains clear for 90% - couple of snow packs. Trail fairly well marked with Purple tape markings on no go Paths. Views Breathtaking as always. Can confirm trail is open. Completed trek at 31/06/20 to see the sunrise. Be at the peak by 6am to see sun cresting over eastern mountains. Good luck!
Posted: August 8, 2020 12:48:04 AM PST
Alejandro Adame Quiroga from Vancouver writes:
Is this hike open? Looking for COVID updates!
Posted: May 17, 2020 07:50:22 PM PST
Eric Douglas from Chilliwack writes:
Here's a video shot on my iPhone of the hike from a few years back. Love the view from the top! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bq9j3sKMIY
Posted: February 20, 2020 10:17:40 AM PST
Joey from Vancouer writes:
Anyone know what the conditions would be like this weekend? Oct 26-27?
Posted: October 26, 2019 09:18:26 AM PST
Jon from Port Moody writes:
Plan to hike on Saturday Oct 12 2019. Would appreciate any update regarding the rad condition. Thanks
Posted: October 9, 2019 08:15:51 PM PST
David from Langely writes:
Just did this hike September 19th 2019 and I found the road to be quite beat up, it took me closer to 80min to drive up. They seem to be doing some kind of clearing along the side of it so it doesn't get overgrown, but the huge excavators aren't helping in the condition of the large dips. I drive a Toyota Tundra with a small lift and modifications that made it up no problem. Although the longer wheelbase made it tricky to not scrape the back bumper going up and down the dips without using the proper angle. The hike itself was nice and laid out but shorter than I expected. Definitely some crazy views from above the clouds on a clear day I'm sure. Nothing to challenging but it is steep.
Posted: September 20, 2019 08:30:33 AM PST
Sylvia from Vancouver writes:
This is a beautiful hike!
I did this hike on July 16 2019. a 4x4 is definitely needed and experience 4x4ing if possible. I drove a Nissan Xterra and bottomed out several times (but luckily no damage) Most of the trail was driveable but there were a few tricky sections where you had to pick your line well. It took us one hour to drive up to the trail head from the start of the Forest Service Road. It is better marked on the way up but not so much on the way down so know where you are going.
There is absolutely no cell service on the Forest Service Road and the last 30 minutes of Chilliwack Lake Road if approaching from the West. There is also no cell service whatsoever on 95 % of the trail. I got 1 or 2 bars on my rogers cell service at the top and still messages were not going through.
It was cloudy when we reached the peak and almost no view. It was freezing cold up there and windproof jackets helped a lot. Much warmer lower on the trail in the valley.
There is no snow on the road to the trail head.
There is no snow on the trail to the peak, just snow patches here and there off the trail.
Posted: July 18, 2019 11:59:11 PM PST
Andrew from Vancouver writes:
How are the road conditions at this time? I have a Forester with 8.9" clearance ( have slightly bigger tires at the moment ), is that enough? Last year, I drove an older 4Runner with 9" clearance and was fine. I've driven off road before but want to make sure the washouts aren't deeper this year, than last year.
Posted: July 11, 2019 05:00:32 PM PST
diane dunn from west vancouver writes:
I am planning to hike Mt. Cheam next week. Can someone tell me the average drive time up and back to the TH from Bench Rd and the condition of the road. I have a good high clearance vehicle. Is there still snow?
Thanks
Posted: July 3, 2019 07:51:16 PM PST
Mel from POCO writes:
Hiked in June 16, 2019.
Essentials:
-high clearance 4x4 vehicle is a MUST in order to get to the trail head parking lot (some low clearance SUV won't do it)
-sunscreen
-sunglasses
-water
-boots - few sections had snow but I was wearing runners and it was fine (snow will probably gone in a week or two)
2hrs going up (slow pace) and 1hr going down
Posted: June 18, 2019 11:12:07 AM PST
CHANDRA ROKAYA from BURNABY writes:
Hello!
Is anybody willing to hike this mountain? I did 2017 and willing to hike anytime soon. Unfortunately, I don't drive. If somebody could carpool, we can share the fuel cost. Also, nice to have a for hiking friend. I can hike either Sunday OR Tuesday OR Wednesday.
Thanks.
Chandra.
Posted: June 5, 2019 08:41:19 PM PST
Chris from Maple Ridge writes:
@Travis, I’ve heard the roads are in decent shape but there is some snow and it’s more or less wet and mucky up there with the snow melt.
I’m also curious about hitting this trial soon!
Posted: May 24, 2019 06:58:41 AM PST
Travis from Vancouver writes:
Has anyone hiked Mt Cheam recently? Curious about conditions of the road and if there is any/much snow. Hoping to hike this weekend if conditions prevail.
Posted: May 23, 2019 05:13:31 PM PST
Lee from Burnaby writes:
Hi was seeing if the hike for April 25th is a ok time to go up, is it still doable ? I know there will be snow but how much ?
Posted: April 24, 2019 03:42:44 PM PST
Andrew from Chilliwack writes:
@the woman who asked about hiking this in March/April: you would need a snowmobile to get to the trailhead and it would be an avalanche zone nightmare. Don’t.
Posted: April 17, 2019 08:14:50 AM PST
Kris from Vancouver writes:
I know July - Oct is recommended, but has anyone done this hike in March/April? Was there a lot of snow?
Posted: March 26, 2019 10:58:16 PM PST
crossover from Vancouver, BC writes:
5 stars for the trail and the views. Zero star for the Chipmunk Creek Forest Service Road.
Hiked on 2018.10.27. So happy that I hiked this trail and can finally crossed this off my bucket list. The trail was fairly easy for the most part, except for some steep parts coupled with lose rocks. It took us 2.5 hrs to reach the peak (slower than our average pace but perhaps our energy was strained a bit from dealing with the service road, lol). The view was espcially breathtaking at the peak. The temperature dropped quickly as it was windy and the sun was covered by clouds. Our hands and feet were freezing despite wearing three layers (including a puffy jacket, a shell) with a toque and gloves. We couldn't stay long at the peak and had to hike down a bit to find a warmer spot to eat our lunches. Hiking down took us about 1.5 hrs.
I drive a reliable 4x4 SUV with 9" clearance, but I was not confident in my off-roading skills. I have driven to Watersprite Lake this summer and in comparison, the Chipmunk Creek Forest Service Road is much much worse. I tried to learn how to navigate challenging off-road situations by watching a lot of Youtube videos, but actually dealing with the deep ditches and water bars is still quite nerve wrecking. It took us 1.5 hrs to get to the trail head after turning off from Chilliwack Lake Road. I drove slowly and cautiously, and still lightly scratched the bottom of the front bumper once. Therefore I was genuinely amazed to see a RAV4, CX9, CRV and a Ford Escort at the parking lot. Driving down with 4-Low and in 2nd or 3rd was very helpful. I suspect the road conditions are going to get worse as time goes by, so be prepared.
Happy driving and hiking!!
Posted: October 28, 2018 11:41:34 AM PST
Steve from Vancouver writes:
Amazing hike, took us 2 hours up and 1 down, at a reasonably relaxed pace. It is very steep at places, good workout! The views are some of the best I've seen in the lower mainland.
Please be aware, the road is not in good condition, 11km of deep ruts and huge potholes, do not attemt in a car, this drive requires a 4x4, higher clearance the better.
Posted: October 21, 2018 09:40:18 PM PST
Jason from Chilliwack writes:
Just did the hike for the first time today with my daughter. What spectacular views! The hike is not terribly long, but extremely steep, narrow, and even cambered in places, so it's challenging if you're not in quite good shape. It took us just over an hour from the parking lot to the peak, and just a little less than that on the way back with more frequent breaks on the return trip including one to cool my feet in a stream. Weather was absolutely perfect. I had to be pushing 20 degrees, and it's mid October!
As for the road, I have an RD1 CR-V which has 8.1 inches of clearance and perhaps another 1/4 inch for the aired down bigger tires I have on. I got up with no real dramas. There were only two spots where I had to back up and take a different line, but it's definitely a road that must be driven with care and attention. The ditches and ruts can be pretty deep in places, so not recommended for 2wd or low clerance.
Posted: October 17, 2018 12:14:57 AM PST
Matthew Brown from Abbotsford writes:
Beautiful Hike. I just put together a Hiking overview video. The view was simply staggering.
https://youtu.be/VrSnfaeDvss
Posted: October 13, 2018 01:28:45 PM PST
Andrea from Vancouver writes:
Beautiful hike, smooth easy trail but with enough elevation gain to feel like we enjoyed a workout by the end. No views for us as we chose to go on a cloudy day. Snow was falling and accumulating about 20 minutes from the top, which gave the place a peaceful atmosphere. Lots of grouse and fall colours still.
As for the road, it was wet out, but we crawled up easily in a little over an hour in our new-to-us 2000 Toyota 4runner (normal lift and summer tires). We were grateful for the 4 wheel drive for the first 200m of the road though where it's a bit washed out, but the rest of the drive was pretty predictable. People in ATVs said it only took them 10 minutes to get in! The deactivations look scarier than they actually are and if you have 4WD I don't think you'd have a problem.
Posted: October 11, 2018 10:32:38 AM PST
Mel from North Vancouver writes:
Road up was no issue at all with 4 door Jeep Wrangler with 2 inch lift. Actually was fun driving up. The hike was extremely short and easy, up to peak in an hour so after we went up to Lady Peak (as far as we could go before that super narrow ridge right before Lady). Views up on Cheam were really nice but even better from the ridge right before Lady Peak.
Posted: October 6, 2018 06:44:37 PM PST
Mark from Surrey ,BC writes:
Went there on September,2018..
Beautiful Place...loved every steps to the top. But getting up to Parking Lot with 2010 Pilot wasn't fun. I thought my car was falling a part .... Nervous !!!
It took me over 2 hours to get to Parking Lot.
I wouldn't go up there with my Pilot again.
I STRONGLY recommended 4X4 or better..
Happy Hiking !!
Posted: October 3, 2018 12:21:29 AM PST
Fredb from Kamloops writes:
Yes the road is rough , but with a little intelligence our Subaru Outback took us to the top beautifully. Did drag the trailer hitch a couple of times in the cross ditches . The hike as always rewarded with spectacular views but was astonished by the number of unprepared people on the trail.
Posted: October 1, 2018 04:58:45 PM PST
Doug from Chilliwack writes:
Hiked Mt Cheam on Tuesday Sept 25. Perfect day, fall colours were spectacular, views were clear. No snow. Carry water. Road is brutal. I have a 2 door Jeep with a small lift with mud-terrain tires so no issues but I think longer vehicles even with clearance might be scraping a bit.
Posted: September 28, 2018 09:23:27 AM PST
Lewis from Vancouver writes:
I was hoping to do the hike on the Thanksgiving weekend (probably the 7th). Has anyone been up lately?
What is the snow condition on the trail and on the road?
Posted: September 25, 2018 08:10:17 PM PST
Christine from Abbotsford writes:
We’ve done this hike twice now. For those without a 4x4, it’s about 13 km from the road to the trailhead so its Not realistic to hike it. It’s a terrible road, but we have a side by side (RZR) and I highly recommend an ATV or side by side to access the trailhead, there is a staging area at the bottom which makes this a super fun way to get there. Hike is challenging but not ridiculously hard. We have been fortunate enough to see the view both times but have talked to many people who saw nothing but clouds and fog so if you can go on a clear day instead of a cloudy one, you’ll improve your odds. Weather is changeable so wear layers and bring a toque and gloves (even in August).
Posted: September 3, 2018 12:44:13 PM PST
Charles from Surrey writes:
We (4 adults of 50+ and 3 teenagers) hiked on the BC Day. Weather was awesome and likely hundreds of people took the hike on that day. We arrived by 11AM and the parking lot was already full. We had to park along the road about 100m down the road (see attached photo).
Hiking was not too difficult - pretty much like the trail descriptions above. We took a slow pace; including the lunch and water breaks it took us 2:40 or so to arrive at the peak. Going down took about 2:30 - again we took sufficient breaks to accommodate the slowest hiker in the group.
The most challenging portion of the trip would be the last 11km FSR to the parking lot. I would recommend a 4WD vehicle with a ground clearance of at least 20cm (24cm or more would be even better). I was amazed, however, to see a couple of Hyundai Santa Fe (2007-2012), a Mazda Tribute, Subaru Outback and XV Crosstrek, a Honda CR-V (the first generation one without the spare tire!) and even a Jaguar E-Pace made it to the trailhead!
Our driver was overly cautious for his first trip up this FSR in a Ford Expedition Max, which may be a little bit challenging than a regular Expedition due to its longer wheelbase. We actually took more than two hours on the final 11km-stretch - more than double the time we had planned!
A Toyota RAV4 (especially the latest AWD models) may not make it unless you are a very experienced off-road driver and don't mind the scratches on the under cage. In general I would not recommend drive those so-called CUVs that are better to reserve for winters in an urban environment. They do not have a ground clearance high enough, nor many of them equipped with a low-gear 4WD option.
Hiking up the FSR is possible, but you'll have to carefully plan the whole itinerary and do a thorough risk assessment of your team for their physical fitness levels. Bring headlamps (and sufficient drinking water) in case you have to hike down the FSR after dark. The Chipmunk Creek FSR is narrow, although roadside parking is possible on a few wider portion of the road.
Biking to the parking lot is doable but you'll need a good mountain bike as some stretches of the FSR are quite steep. We encounter a mountain biker coming down the hiking trail on our way up. Obviously the guy didn't notice the bulletin board near the trail head where the signs indicate bikes and ATVs not permitted on the trail.
By the way, there is an outhouse on the trail within a very short walking distance from the parking lot.
Posted: August 13, 2018 01:39:37 AM PST
Adrian from Burnaby writes:
Would I be able to make it to the trailhead In a RAV4?
Posted: August 11, 2018 10:48:27 AM PST
Mark from Vancouver writes:
Can I bike to the peak?
Can I also bike to the parking lot ?
Posted: August 10, 2018 10:39:22 AM PST
Heather from Burnaby writes:
Anyone planning to head up there on Sunday 12th Aug? I'll be in Chilliwack and would love to do this hike but don't have 4wd or good clearance... happy to contribute to gas!
Posted: August 8, 2018 09:51:52 AM PST
mel from vancouver, bc writes:
the road is awful but i made it fine up there in a ford expedition suv 4x4
you just gotta go very slow there are many deep waterbars but a high clearance 4wd will work or suv. don't even attempt with anything less you will get stuck and will be hard to get you out of there.
Posted: August 7, 2018 02:26:00 PM PST
Brendan from Vancouver writes:
If I don't have access to a proper vechile that can make it to the trailhead, is it possible to hike in from a certain point? Is that reasonable and how long would the hike to the trailhead take approximately?
Thanks for your help :)
Posted: July 28, 2018 01:38:29 AM PST
Josy A from Vancouver writes:
We have a 4x4, but we still failed to make it to the trailhead for this one! The road is so, sooo bad! Make sure you have 4x4 *and* high clearance. It was much worse than the road to Watersprite lake.
Posted: July 27, 2018 11:15:35 AM PST
Bart from Vancouver writes:
Anyone going up this weekend? I do not have a 4x4 and was planning to hike to the trailhead but heard it is a long, long trek.
Posted: July 26, 2018 06:37:07 PM PST
Ben from Burnaby writes:
@Craig The road to Mount Cheam is 10x worse than the one to Watersprite. They're not even comparable. The road to Cheam, you have to drive through creeks and washouts.... it's brutal. I'm not kidding about the comparison, the Cheam road is one of the worst I've ever been on.
Posted: July 24, 2018 04:49:10 PM PST
Craig from Vancouver writes:
I wondering if anyone has done this hike and Watersprite Lake? Are the roads to the trail comparable or is Cheam worse?
Posted: July 24, 2018 01:54:45 PM PST
Krista from Vancouver writes:
Group of 5 did this hike on July 14. The hike was fantastic! Very beautiful, some snow but nothing that couldn't be easily traversed in hiking shoes. The hike is fully exposed, so be sure to bring lots of sunscreen, a hat and water. Also, take heed of people's comments about the road in: we took a Subaru Crosstrek up and we ended up stopping 4km out from the trailhead to walk the rest of the way (all uphill). The road in is quite long and has very deep ditches the whole way. Our vehicle did not have enough clearance to safely drive the rest, and we scraped a few times before that, even with a very skilled driver. After the hike we caught a ride back to our car in a Silverado, and within 5 minutes we had a flat tire. Later, we passed the same vehicle and they were stopped and searching for their license plate that was knocked off in a ditch! The hike is fantastic, just be sure to take a 4 wheel drive vehicle with high clearance. The lifted jeeps we saw drive by seemed to be taking the trail really well.
Posted: July 16, 2018 09:04:31 AM PST
Wes Daase from Surrey writes:
Incredible day and incredible hike. Just wish they would fix the road going up. Gotta have good kidneys!
Posted: July 14, 2018 07:40:28 AM PST
Sara from Vancouver writes:
Went up today and had a great hike! There was still some snow on the trail, not much but it was enough to slow us down in places just because we had to be careful of our footing (not because it was deep). I drove up in a Honda CRV and made it okay, but it took a lot more time than what's estimated here because we had to go very slowly and carefully, and I still scraped the bottom of the car in a few places - just be sure to budget the extra time if you take a smaller 4WD vehicle without super high clearance!
Posted: July 12, 2018 06:49:09 PM PST
Jake Luft from Vancouver writes:
Incredible hike! Went up to the summit on July 7th, 2018. Definitely recommend a 4 x 4 with good clearance for the ride up. Snow patches for sure, summit is clear. Highly recommended as one of the most rewarding
Posted: July 7, 2018 08:08:38 PM PST
Jamie from Vancouver, BC writes:
Just did this on June 27, 2018. There is still plenty of snow and most of the trail up to the peak is covered, which made it difficult to navigate. I would budget an extra hour or two to account for the slipping and sliding and forging your own path.
But what a gorgeous hike!!
Posted: June 29, 2018 11:33:34 AM PST
William from Richmond writes:
Crosstrek will be fine. I've seen cars like CRVs and CX5s up there if that makes you feel better. Just be patient, pick your lines right, avoid ditches, and make sure avoid snow or ice if there's still any.
Posted: June 27, 2018 06:54:13 PM PST
Chapman from Richmond writes:
I want to attempt this in the summer time, but only have a Subaru Crosstrek. Can anyone confirm whether or not I can make it up to the trailhead with a Subaru or does everyone who goes up drive a Jeep?
Posted: June 26, 2018 05:59:10 PM PST
Neo from Vancouver writes:
Update as of 06/24/18:
The road to the parking lot is now completely clear of snow. The trail to Spoon Lake is clear around the wrap-around until you go through the trees, and then you encounter snow the rest of the way to Spoon. Trail is clear from Spoon until first switchback, and then alternates between snow and clear the rest of the way up.
Because the trail is is still covered in many places, people have attempted 'line of site' navigation between where they are and where they need to go when they encounter snowy patches. This has resulted in a defined trail through the snow, but it is much steeper than normal, without switchbacks.
I would recommend waiting another week or so before making any trip up. We hiked from the recreation area junction with Foley Creek, and found everything fine on the way up.
Neo
Posted: June 26, 2018 12:32:06 PM PST
Gerald from Mission writes:
Was just at the Cheam trailhead a couple days ago. Was still a couple sections of road under snow in the last half km before the parking lot. Most of the trail to spoon lake looked clear: I didn't proceed much up the way, but I would expect lots of snow still on the trail beyond the lake and crampons would be recommended for the steep upper paths.
Posted: June 21, 2018 11:48:39 AM PST
Marika from Vancouver writes:
Does anyone know how much snow is still on the trail?
Posted: June 11, 2018 09:50:33 AM PST
melvin from north van writes:
we managed to park about 2 km before the parking lot.. lots and lots of snow..
Posted: May 30, 2018 08:13:26 PM PST
Laura Guglielmin from Vancouver writes:
Road is in bad condition. 4wheel with high clearance needed for water bars going up. Snow at around 4km before trailhead where no cars can go so you need to hike in the snow. We got as far as the trailhead walking before we had to turn around. Still was lovely and am looking forward to returning when things melt!
Posted: May 19, 2018 08:23:35 PM PST
J from Abbotsford writes:
Insterested in hiking Mt. Cheam on May 12. Any update on snow levels? Can one safely summit at this time? What gear is needed?
Posted: May 9, 2018 08:09:27 PM PST
Mitja from Vancouver writes:
hi there,
I am planning on Hiking Mt cheam this weekend May 12 anyone got updates on the road to the trail head? still snow left? and how is the hike up to the top?
appreciate any information
thanks
Posted: May 8, 2018 10:26:11 PM PST
Adrienne MacPhee from Vancouver, BC writes:
Hi there,
I know the season for hiking Cheam is from July-October but my friends and I were wondering if it was possible to safely hike it on May 8? Would there still be snow on the mountain?
If someone could let me know that'd be amazing.
Thanks in advance!
Posted: April 15, 2018 03:11:01 PM PST
Dan from Port coquitlam writes:
Hi there just curious was wanting to head up Cheam this weekend does anyone know if there’s snow and how much if so? Thx
Posted: October 27, 2017 02:02:40 PM PST
Eva Goldthorp from Chilliwack writes:
Husband and I did this hike for our anniversary on October 1st. GORGEOUS hike, but a fair bit of snow at the top. Will probably take crampons next year. And the notes aren't kidding about the difficulty of getting to the trailhead- that logging road is AWFUL and we were in a big 4x4 truck. You need a rugged vehicle and a confident driver to get to this hike.
Posted: October 6, 2017 09:12:43 AM PST
tony from agassiz writes:
anybody try to go up after the snowfall sept 17th ?
Posted: September 21, 2017 12:14:52 PM PST
Mehran from Vancouver writes:
This is a very beautiful trail with a 360 panoramic rewarding view at the top. We had always wondered about the FSR access road to the trail and whether or not a 4x4 is required. Now that we did it today with a landrover discovery, I can tel a 4x4 like jeeps or pick ups are recommended and makes the 16km rough road easier. But if you really want to do the hike, I'd say an AWD SUV with good tires can make it with some off-roading experience, takes a bit longer but is doable. Our disco did it with no problem, a little over an hour to get up there and these are the type of vehicles we saw at the parking lot at the top: forester, Honda CRV, mazda X5, Hyundai Tucson! But be prepared to face some deep washouts.
The hike is constant slope up with few breaks, nothing no too hard and took us about 1:30 hrs to get to the peak. On a clear day you can spend an hour up there and enjoy the pano views. It took us an hour to descend to parking lot.
The parking lot at trail head gets full pretty early but there are enough spaces on the side of the road before the parking to leave your car.
Posted: September 16, 2017 10:28:18 PM PST
Sacha from Surrey writes:
As always Cheam was GORGEOUS. We hiked Cheam today, Monday (Sept 4) early 7am start- the air was smokey probably due to some nearby fires. The road up is always a bit of a nailbiter. Good tires are highly recommended. The wash outs are hard on the hitch (up+down) and the ride is tough on the breaks going down. Try not to overload your veichle! :P if you have a long truck or a long wheel base be prepared to crunch and cringe :0 Also be prepared! Bring TP! It's like wiping with gold currency up there!
Posted: September 4, 2017 10:06:01 PM PST
Rob from Surrey writes:
Did Mount Cheam yesterday (Saturday Aug. 26, 2017).. Left Cloverdale at 5 am.. Got to trailhead at 7:30 am.. One other vehicle arrived at the same time as us and there were already 4 or 5 other vehicles parked there. Drove a chevy crew cab short box 4 x 4 with levelling kit and stock tires and wheels.. Hit trailer hitch a few times on a few of the washouts.. rough 11 km ride up and down on the chipmunk creek gravel road.. Well worth the drive up for a beautiful hike and views... Lots of people hiking up as we were on our way down from the top of Mount Cheam.. Parking lot was full and lots of vehicles parked on side of road by 11:30 am return to parking lot... Spent close to an hour on top.. Still lots of vehicle traffic coming up chipmunk road when going down.. Lots of narrow spots but always found ways to move over enough to let other vehicles pass..Very Bumpy,potholed,deep channels washed out gravel rocky road. Thought hike was very challenging for elevation gain and distance.. Last 4 km non-stop up.
Posted: August 27, 2017 12:30:50 PM PST
Adrian and Bec from Vancouver writes:
We had an awesome time! Amazing views! One of the best hikes in the lower mainland. 4x4 is definitely a must. It's surprisingly busy, but worth the trouble. I think I might have left my orange MeFoto tripod in a tripod bag, near the front of the parking. Please let me know if you find It! Thanks! adrianb00 AT gmail.com
Posted: August 26, 2017 10:43:46 PM PST
Tony from Delta writes:
Took us 2 hours to drive up to the trail-head from Chilliwack, 2.5 hours to hike to the summit. 1.5 hours to hike back down to the parking lot, then another 2 hours to get back to Chilliwack. (we took our time since the driver is inexperienced off-road and most of us are pretty out of shape for the)
The last 11 KM "road" to the trail-head is rough, had to let my Jeep Grand Cherokee cool down in between. Once in the parking lot, I am genuinely surprised to see a Honda CR-V parked amongst the pick-ups trucks and SUVs.
Just make sure you bring bug spray, plenty of water and maybe a light jacket (it gets really windy on top).
P.S. Shout out to Mt. Waddington's Outdoors. We weren't sure about the condition of the drive, and if the Jeep GC was up for the task, asked the lady at Visitor Center, where she directed us to the store Mt. Waddington's Outdoors. The staff there was really friendly and informative.
Posted: August 23, 2017 09:39:48 AM PST
shannon from coquitla, writes:
Hi!
I'm planning to do the hike this weekend and I drive a ford escape, will this vehicle be sufficient?
Posted: August 22, 2017 09:44:16 AM PST
Tessa from Surrey writes:
A beautiful view at the top, but be prepared for a crazy and annoying drive up and down.The road is insane! Either than that, the hike is fairly challenging, but everywhere you look it's beautiful. The only draw back on the hike are the hoards of flies around you. I would highly recommend bringing bug spray, sunscreen and tons of water since most of the hike is in the sun. All in all the scenery is breathtaking and there is an amazing view from the top.
Posted: July 31, 2017 02:58:32 PM PST
Belee from Burnaby writes:
We just did this hike on July 29, 2017 with a group of 5.Here is a detailed report on getting there:
DON'T BOTHER.
Haha, kidding aside. Total travel distance on the FSR to the trail-head is about 15 km. The first 4 km is nothing special, just a bunch of pot holes here and there. The next 11 km is a huge pain. You start to climb the mountain and its pretty steep at some points. There are water bars through out the 11 km stretch and some are pretty deep. Some parts are a little narrow so drive slow in case of incoming traffic. We were averaging 20 km/h going up, and essentially 10 km/k going down, braking the entire time. The last 2 km is hell as there are sharp rocks everywhere and some of the water bars are quite deep.
We used a 2013 Subaru outback and that has about 8.5 inches of clearance, and I don't recall the bottom getting scratched or the front hitting anything. The mud flaps got hit a few times but that's about it. I would recommend a jeep or a 4x4 truck, but a vehicle with all wheel drive and high enough clearance, good tires (my tires were brand new and we never slipped) should make it up there FOR NOW. As the years go by, eventually a 4x4 vehicle will be needed.
Once you get to the trail head, its a nice short stroll through the meadows and gradual ascent up the mountain, with some steep parts here and there.
Posted: July 30, 2017 11:34:27 AM PST
Ali Ammad from Surrey, BC writes:
The logging road that takes you up to Trial head is in a terrible condition. A 4x4 Truck is not recommended anymore, it's become essential. But once you make it up there, you are rewarded with surreal views, all the way from the parking lot to the summit. Trail is well maintained and there's no snow anymore.
Posted: July 23, 2017 08:03:19 PM PST
Carley from Delta writes:
my boyfriend and i are planning on doing this hike very early sunday morning (July 23) and we were wondering if there's a gate that would prevent us from hiking that early. if you've been please let me know!
Posted: July 20, 2017 11:50:31 PM PST
Myra from Manila writes:
Finally did this elusive mountain. No room for dissapointment!! Spectacular 360 degrees view of the Fraser Valley. My best hike so far! Clearly a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Bucket list checked!
Posted: July 11, 2017 12:13:50 PM PST
ANTHONY MAW from VANCOUVER writes:
Haven't done it lately but there is another driving route up to Cheam parking lot almost directly from the Trans-Canada Highway side of the peak, instead of driving 26km up Chilliwack Lake Road/Chipmunk Creek Road route. Again it requires high clearance 4x4 and you can't be afraid to drive along cliff edges in some places and hope there's no vehicles coming down because it's very narrow no room to pass another vehicle in a few places. The access is just east of the former "Flintstones" campground facility. I drove up there many years ago to get to the Cheam parking lot, or you can explore the possibility of driving down it. Overall it's a shorter drive but the 4x4 climb is a bit longer to do. If anybody does it lately please post a trip report.
Posted: July 7, 2017 09:03:42 AM PST
Brian from Chilliwack writes:
Went up July 1st. Awesome way to celebrate Canada Day 150!
Road up is getting to be in bad shape. A pick up is highly recommended.
Lots of snow! Most of the trail is still covered so unfortunately lots of walking on the beautiful flowers...
Posted: July 2, 2017 10:11:48 PM PST
Ryan from Vancouver writes:
Looking to do this hike sometime in july or august. I have heard that access to the trailhead is quite rough and you need a good vehicle. I have a 2006 Toyota Rav4 with AWD, anyone who has done the trail know if I'll have enough clearance to make the drive?
Thank you!
Posted: July 1, 2017 04:50:08 PM PST
David H from White Rock, BC writes:
We attempted this hike June 25th 2017 - Snow was encountered just after the end of the logging road. some open patches but quite slushy conditions - Spoon lake was still covered in ice and snow and a few jumped in for an cool down!
Decided to turn around before reaching the second pond as the slush and snow were too much without proper gear.
Great hike, we completed it June 28th in 2015 and there was no snow at all. Will return later in the season.
Posted: June 26, 2017 11:59:12 AM PST
tony from agassiz writes:
looking to go up soon finding it hard to get current conditions writing this on june 25th 2017 please let us now if there is any snow thanks just a observation why don't they delete old post
Posted: June 25, 2017 11:21:43 AM PST
JC from Abbotsford writes:
This is one of the best trails we have in the lower mainland. We do it every year with our 3 little boys (6-8-10) and it never disappoints. Has anyone been up there lately? I heard last week conditions weren't great as there was too much snow on the drive and the trail making it too challenging and dangerous to reach the peak. I wonder if now with the hot days things are better???
Posted: June 22, 2017 11:31:28 PM PST
EV from Richmond writes:
Hey Guys,
I have a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk you think it's enough for us to drive up?
Reading some comments and they always tell that make sure your vehicle is high enough so you won't be stuck.
Planning to go there this July 2017 :)
Thank you!
Posted: June 8, 2017 02:56:52 PM PST
mike from maple ridge writes:
tried today . got stopped by the snow 4+ km from the parking lot by snow . Driving a tacoma 4x4 with snow tires . Soft snow that you just sink in . If you want to do this hike now , bring snow shoes and add an hour each way to your hike time
Posted: June 7, 2017 04:56:13 PM PST
Cam from Abbotsford writes:
About a half a km from the parking i got cut off by snow
Posted: June 7, 2017 01:20:34 PM PST
julie from langley writes:
looking to hike mt. chaem, i am not an avid hiker and need to do this hike for my Mom who recently passed in December. I just need a ride up the extremely bumpy/rough service road that leads to the trail. Any and all suggestions? I already asked to join Chilliwack hiking group on Facebook. I really need to do this mid-June. Possible?
Thank-you,
J
Posted: June 5, 2017 12:37:54 AM PST
Matt P from surrey bc writes:
I am interested in going this Saturday June 3. I have a rear wheel drive ford ranger sport. Don't know if I get near the trailhead but wanna try anyway. let me know if interested.
Posted: May 29, 2017 11:05:01 AM PST
Sarah from Langley writes:
Tried to do this Hike today(May 21,17) snow is reached about ½ km from the parking lot on the gravel Rd. and can not be reached by vehicle. I drove up in my GMC off Rd(Not 4x4) Canyon. Made it up with little difficulty, although the road is extremely rough. Huge ditches, run offs, potholes, and bigger rocks. We ended up with a flat tire when we hit the snow line due to running over a nail. There are signs all of the way up(nothing in the parking lot) saying Mt. Cheam, so very easy to find. With 4 ft. Of snow on the ground we were unable to locate the trail, and hiked a logging Rd instead. Beautiful view of the mountains, and mt. Cheam. If you want to hike now, bring snow shoes.
Posted: May 21, 2017 11:10:59 PM PST
Ali from Vancouver writes:
Is there anybody down to this hike this month (May 2017) together? I'm looking for a ride.
Posted: May 9, 2017 03:06:05 PM PST
FoX from Burnaby writes:
Did it in 2002 Forester in September, no problem, but the road was not easy at all.
Just wonder if anyone drove up in Dodge Durango 2011 or newer? It's a much heavier an longer vehicle with very questionable approach angle after all.
Posted: March 31, 2017 10:06:48 PM PST
Brandon spring from Coquitlam/ live in Langley writes:
Looking for winter skin trail info for a decent ascent and a fun decent :) trained and geared up. Thanks in advance
Posted: December 31, 2016 12:48:52 PM PST
Tyrone Joseph from Kamloops writes:
I agree that the worst part of this hike is the drive up.
I don't agree that you need a lifted 4x4 for the drive though.
I used a 2008 Nissan Frontier rwd and didn't have any trouble whatsoever. The only problem with 2wd is the drive down, it's not geared low enough to prevent you from riding the brakes.
Posted: September 23, 2016 10:19:04 PM PST
Silvia from Vancouver writes:
Completed this hike on Sept. 11 - To get to the logging road, read "how to get to mt. cheam" below the comments. Just saying, because I see some people are claiming that there are no signs and clear directions to the trailhead or the service road, and this is in fact NOT true. And statements such as that can be misleading and discouraging to those who would like to attempt this hike. I followed the steps and looked for signs. There ARE signs (mt. cheam) clearly showing which way to go (arrow pointing to the left), just a few metres from where you supposed to turn onto the logging road from Lake Chilliwack Road. There is also an information sign right as you turn onto Foley Creek FSR. The directions are actually almost 100% accurate on this site, except for the fact that there are 3 bridges all together that you must cross with your vehicle to get to the trailhead. The first two bridges are fairly close to one another, I'd say in the first 4 kms (approx.) and the third one is later on. Once you are passed the 4 kms on the logging road there is no need for signs or markers as it's obvious where the main road is. if you can't pick up on this, you should not be out in the wild. Prepare yourself, pay attention and you will be just fine. :)
The hiking trail is the LEAST of your problems. If you enjoy nature, quiet meadows, wildlife and you get out at least once a week and are in fairly good shape, the hike will be a workout but not difficult. Yes, it's uphill but just go at your own pace and you will get there. I am not in the best shape but I am an active, mediocre hiker. It took me 3 hours 15 mins to complete the hike. 2 hours to the peak, and 1 hr 15 back to the parking lot (not including my break at the summit). I hiked with other people, therefore we stopped many times for a couple minutes in the 3h 15m to make sure everybody was well and comfortable, so if you are athletic this hike can be completed in 3 hours or less in my opinion. We came across a black bear and wanted to keep an eye on him, so that too slowed us down a little. But he was happy where he was, in the middle of the meadow. :) I recommend hiking shoes and windbreakers/waterproof jackets as it gets very cold at the top even when it's sunny.
I drove a TRD 4X4 OFF-ROAD to get us to the trailhead. Don't confuse AWD with 4X4. We saw numerous AWD vehicles abandoned on the narrow service road. If you don't have generous ground clearance you might run into problems. I spent just over an hour on the logging road. The V shaped washouts are deep in some areas. You have to prepare yourself mentally and be ready to crawl over deep ditches/washouts, sharp rocks over and over and over and over again for at least 1hour. I have never driven a truck on a road such as this before and my body was arched for an hour so that I could see over the hood of the truck and this was draining, and we have not even started our hike yet!!! If you don't care that your vehicle is going to scrape/bottom out, than you will make it there faster. My speed was between 7 -15 kms/hr on the logging road. There are the rare sections where you can drive faster for 5-10 seconds and then you have to slow down again because there is a ditch in front of you once again. The road is narrow, yes, but we managed to let people go passed us and I must say that I was pleasantly surprised how polite everybody was on the logging road for the most part. Everybody pulled over or backed up (yes, you need to know how to drive for real out there) for us on the way up and I did the same for those who were nearest to the drop-off on our way down. We did run into a couple of dune-buggies and some dirt bikers on the way down who were not so pleasant but I dismissed them quickly as we had such an incredible experience behind us. Even the logging road itself was somewhat fun!!! So, don't be discouraged, make sure your vehicle is reliable and get out there! :)
Posted: September 18, 2016 04:31:08 PM PST
Tamsin from Surrey writes:
Hi -- anyone know if there's a cell reception/signal on this hike (Rogers)? I'm on call (standby phone answering) this weekend and have been invited to hike with friends. Don't get alot of calls but need to answer on the off chance someone calls . . .
Posted: September 15, 2016 08:51:29 AM PST
Kyle from Vancouver writes:
We hiked cheam peak on labour day long weekend. We got an early jump on the crowd that showed up later in the early afternoon. Beautiful place, amazing views , and a seriously rough drive up. Here is a video of the hike with some drone footage https://youtu.be/A7U3wt__-8o
Posted: September 5, 2016 08:29:19 PM PST
Tanya from Abbotsford writes:
There is no signs on the road where Mt cheam is and where the service road is; we figured it out eventually. We knew the service road was going to be bad by reading other people's comments but holy sh**it ! I own a 4x4 and did some off road with it before and it did not go well. There is a fork in the road; once again no indication as of which one brings you to the parking lot. We almost made it to the the top and we got a flat tire.. like a major one. It is a really narrow road too so if someone makes it's way down while you are going up, it might be an issue. We got lucky, no one came our way while we put our spare tire on. Turns out we were metres away from the parking lot.. but we were too upset to do the hike at this point since we weren't sure our spare tire (or the other tires) were going to make it on the way down.
Somehow we made it; the view from the parking lot was nice for sure ! not 300$ worth in damage nice though. There's plenty other hikes out there with much nicer access roads.
Posted: September 1, 2016 01:23:48 PM PST
JS from Delta writes:
Did this hike on Sunday August 28th must say it was great hike, really nice view from the top. Nice and warm when walking in the meadows but at the top its windy and cooler.
I completed the hike from the parking lot in exactly 4 hours. I spent 45 mins at the top plus did the short trek to see Jones Lake. Can be done in 3 hours without a long stop.
I started at 1015 and it was quiet going up coming down was a different story, must have passed around 75-100 people heading up.
The road up is rough but I made it up in my Acura MDX SUV without any issues. Just drive slow and take the big ditches sideways.
Posted: August 30, 2016 04:50:07 PM PST
Miguel from Langley writes:
4 star.
We did the hike on August 6th. We drove up in our F450 and worried about damaging it over the many cross ditches. Took 1.5 hrs to get to the trailhead. As others have posted, the hike was intermediate level and breathtaking views at the top. A small 4 x 4 SUV would is a much better transportation option.
Posted: August 19, 2016 01:54:28 PM PST
Jason gaba from Abbotsford writes:
Yes you can walk but it takes 1 hour to drive up so it would probably add on another 3 for the walk! Or what you can do is go on facebook on chilliwack hiking club and post on their, and people will offer you a ride(thats what i did). And we also met a few people that just show up their and hitch a ride up!
Posted: August 6, 2016 02:58:35 PM PST
Janna from Port CoquitlAM writes:
Is it possible to walk up the road instead of taking a 4x4? How far is it?
Posted: August 5, 2016 05:33:08 PM PST
Sean from Vancouver writes:
Hiked Cheam Peak with friends on the July 30th. An amazing, must do hike that is going on my list of yearly to-dos. A couple thoughts:
- The drive up is not for the feint of heart - there's no way you're making it to the trailhead without a 4x4. Even with 8 inches of clearance and taking the road cautiously, there were a couple times we *really* scrapped the undercarriage. Be prepared and careful and you'll be fine.
- The trail itself is so unique for the area. On a clear day there are incredible views of the surrounding mountains the entire length of the trail - the view looking south toward Mount Baker is hard to resist on the way up, but one you'll get a ton of on the way down. There are equally amazing views of Lady Peak, and the lush meadow with blooming wild flowers that the trail winds through the entire way up.
- The peak reveals the most spectacular views of the Fraser Valley I've ever seen. You get a new appreciation for the area, with views of Harrison Lake and the Coast Mountains to the northwest, and the Fraser Valley, Cultus Lake and the Cascades to the southwest.
Overall - if you can get there, this is the biggest/longest payoff for a hike I've done with relatively little effort. Incredible views the entire way, super unique hike that's not too demanding.
Posted: July 31, 2016 02:15:21 PM PST
Katherine from Agassiz writes:
My boyfriend has a new Dodge Ram 1500 truck that he Doesn't want scratched or dented :). no lift kit but still big truck. Will the road still likely bottom his truck out? And is the road clear of bushes and trees do his truck won't get all scratched up? Thank you!
Posted: July 25, 2016 04:49:23 PM PST
emvee from Surrey writes:
Anyone know if camping is permitted or if there is backcountry permit obtainable? Planning to go up there this weekend.
Posted: July 21, 2016 01:23:19 PM PST
Casino Apte from Bangkok writes:
Hey guys!
In Vancouver for a month from Bangkok, looking to do some amazing hikes. Would appreciate if anyone could perhaps drive me and a friend to the site. Will pay for gas as appreciation. :)
Thanks!
Posted: July 11, 2016 12:19:56 AM PST
Zdenek from North Vancouver writes:
Hi,
would anyone be kind enough to take me with them on this trail. I'll pay for gas as appreciation!
Send me email on chmeli22 (a) gmail(dot)com.
Thanks
Posted: July 10, 2016 02:17:07 PM PST
Gene from Burnaby writes:
Heading over to Cheam tomorrow morning 9AM if anyone needs a ride. (From Burnaby) Gas fee would be appreciated. 2 spots.
Posted: June 30, 2016 05:44:39 PM PST
Tanja from Chilliwack writes:
I just hiked Mt. Cheam today (June 29, 2016). Still some snow but easy to get through, even with running shoes. Hiking poles helped.
Posted: June 29, 2016 11:37:52 PM PST
Steve N from Vancouver writes:
Hiked the Cheam today. Definitely need a 4x4 to get to the trailhead. My truck bottomed out on many of the washouts!!! We only made it to the saddle between Cheam and Lady Peak. Too much snow pack to get any further without snowshoes. There's a few sections from trailhead and Spoon Lake that still has snow also.
Posted: June 19, 2016 08:34:44 PM PST
Mark Abrenica from Surrey writes:
Looking to do this trail on the 4th of June with my SO. Anyone with a 4x4 going up around that time? Let me know, please and thank you.
Posted: June 1, 2016 02:44:02 AM PST
Conor from Vancouver writes:
Does anyone know if there are any ride shares to get here? We'd be willing to bus from Vancouver but I know a 4x4 is necessary and we don't have one.
Also, what would the conditions be like around late June?
Thanks!
Posted: May 27, 2016 11:56:26 PM PST
ben from NEW WESTMINSTER writes:
hey,
is it a good idea to make mount Cheam this time of year? I'm planning by the end of the week but I have doubt about snow level..
Thnks,
Ben
Posted: May 2, 2016 09:55:38 PM PST
Sara from Vancouver writes:
Hello,
Anyone hiked Mount Cheam recently ? I am thinking about going there on May 7th. I want to know how the snow level is.
Thanks,
Sara
Posted: April 29, 2016 05:48:31 PM PST
Anthony Maw from Vancouver writes:
The "north face" 4x4 driving route from near Bridal Falls has re-opened - they locked the gate for almost ten years. It's a shorter but much steeper and more challenging 4x4 drive to get to the Mount Cheam trailhead area. In some sections there is only enough room for one vehicle with no passing room - so somebody's gotta back up...LOL Also some steep cliffs and drop offs beside the road no room for error. But a spectacular view of the Fraser Valley on the way up. The access is off Highway 1 where the old Flintstones/Dinoworld camp ground used to be you might have to inquire locally at the Shell
Posted: March 16, 2016 07:05:44 PM PST
Raja from Vancouver writes:
I was wondering if anyone can give me an update for hiking in March, like road condition accessibility or snow levels up there or need any gears ?
Thanks
Posted: March 8, 2016 05:53:57 PM PST
Chris Smythe from Burnaby writes:
Mt. Cheam is now one of my must hikes every year. This one is unique in that it is an alpine hike above the tree line. Bright and open views all the way up. I had to stop every 2 minutes to take a picture of the phenomenal view behind me. The views are breathing taking all along the hike from the parking lot to the peak. There is a 360 degree view where you can see Mt Baker, Harrison Lake, Jones Lake, even Vancouver Island on a clear day. In the fall the area is completely covered in low bush blueberries which are claimed to be the best tasting in the world.
And let us not forget about Spoon Lake. After the climb down, it is unbelievably refreshing to jump in that icy cold water. Or at least take off your shoes and wade in to cool off your feet and legs.
I don't have a 4x4 so I paid to be driven up with a tour guide from Mt. Waddington's Outdoor store in Chilliwack. The owner, Sam Waddington is an avid outdoors tour guide who gives excellent commentary and knows every peak's name in sight. They bought a high clearance ten passenger 4x4 van last year which took us up there easily, albeit with lots of swaying and bouncing over those washouts. Good core workout just riding in the van. Well worth the price at $89 including lunch at the top. I'll be using him again this year. Can't wait.
Posted: March 4, 2016 12:35:07 PM PST
Jacy Croft from Vancouver writes:
I know it says July-Oct, with the beautiful fall we've had this year. Has anyone hiked Cheam lately. Thinking of doing it tomorrow but wanted to see if anyones been to the top latley.
Cheers
Posted: November 10, 2015 10:40:19 AM PST
Brant from Vancouver writes:
Hiked Cheam with my three kids, 7, 9 and 12 years old. 2 hrs 45 minutes up with lunch stop and 1 hr 45 min down on the excellent trail on Oct. 3. Amazing colours and splendid scenery. The logging road had plenty of water bars that were easily passable with a four wheel drive and not many loose rocks elsewhere. Bare and no snow to speak of. The Chipmunk Creek FSR is unpassable in a non-four wheel drive.
Posted: October 4, 2015 11:09:11 AM PST
Nick from Ottawa writes:
Listen to the warnings about the service road. Our Santa Fe made it through the Foley Svc rd without any problems, but we had to park it about 500 m past the Chipmunk turnoff and continue on foot. We arrived later in the day and so no one passed us when as we hiked up the 10+ km road (that's right, not 8km as in the description but practically 11km according to my gps). Roads are otherwise dry and nice. We did the road hike just under 3 hrs with 1050 elev gain to trailhead but didn't quite reach the summit due to time of day. It took us 47 min to ride back down to our vehicle in a kind strangers 4x4 truck.
Definitely recommend this hike and I will try to be back to finish the job!
Posted: September 30, 2015 08:27:35 PM PST
Rachel from Abbotsford writes:
I am interested in going up there next Saturday (October 3rd) - has anyone been recently that can tell me what the road and hike is like? Is there any snow?
Thanks!
Posted: September 28, 2015 02:46:35 PM PST
Jeff Smith from Langley BC writes:
Went up here with my son and a buddy in June 2015. It was more than we bargained for in a full size GMC 4x4 truck, lots of scraping on the back bumper even after we took the trailer hitch off and a little scraping in the front.
As spirited amatuers the trail up to Spoon Lake was rugged but doable. We turned back for the parking lot at the lake but could see trekers venturing across the snow field above as tiny dots coming down from the look out.
If you take the trail up be sure to follow it down. I promoted the idea of following a steep narrow creek bed - don't do that. After jammed shoulders, multiple scrapes and nettle stings I'll repeat, follow the trail both ways.
It was a great time full of adventure but it requires some good planning. This is also a trail that you would be happy to have invested some good money on poles. We used sticks and staffs that broke from time to time. Be prepared :)
Posted: September 19, 2015 01:43:08 PM PST
Tak McT. from Vancouver writes:
- High clearance car is a must. Lots of pot holes & immediate up and downs
- I kept on telling myself my AWD Celica could do it on the way up, but it probably would not (was driving a 4x4 Cherokee) due to the big bumps in the road.
- Take the drive nice and easy, as you don't want to break your car and get stranded on the road going up/down to the trail head
- The chipmunks at the peak will bite you (seriously).
- Lots of bugs flying around the peak when I made the ascent mid-August
- Beautiful view at the top (as long as you don't have the forest fire smog)
- Once you hike past the pond, you're heading to the peak to the left. Don't let the trails mislead you, but most of them lead towards the same direction.
- Runners should be ok as I didn't experience much slippage throughout, but I recall some areas where there was water running on the path, and some muddy areas. Personally, I'd wear boots again the next time.
Posted: September 17, 2015 04:56:41 AM PST
Courtney from Delta writes:
@Akash - I took my 2011 Forester up a couple of summers ago with no problems. Just take your time into the deactivation ditches but she handled the road up like a champ.
Posted: September 7, 2015 07:00:35 PM PST
Drew from Coquitlam writes:
Beautiful hike, although currently, there is about a foot of snow and many clouds obscuring the peak. Other than that, there are still many views to enjoy.
Any SUV should make it to the parking lot as long as its a 4x4. We made it up in a 2001 Rav4. That being said, some fellow made it up in a manual 1990 Civic hatchback. He said he needed to use a shovel for some parts of the road but props to that man.
Posted: September 6, 2015 11:48:09 PM PST
Zoe from Vancouver writes:
My friend and I are really interested in doing this hike some time before the weather gets worse!
We have no vehicle to get us up, if anyone is willing to give us a ride would love to hear!
Posted: August 24, 2015 10:31:30 AM PST
Akash from Vancouver writes:
Hey everyone,
Im just wondering if I will be able to get up to the trailhead in my Subaru Forester. It is the newer body style with higher ground clearance, but I'm not familiar enough with the logging road to know if i can make it up.
Thanks!
Posted: August 22, 2015 08:44:12 PM PST
dali from vancouver writes:
a friend and i would love to do the trail this sunday (august 23rd) but we have no 4x4. anyone going up that has room for two?
Posted: August 20, 2015 09:30:31 AM PST
Phil from Vancouver writes:
Planning of doing this hike Sunday 2nd August but have no 4 x 4. If anyone is doing it and could give us a ride to the trailhead please let me know.
Will help pay gas no problem
Posted: July 27, 2015 11:02:08 PM PST
Gagandeep from Maple Ridge writes:
I went up 15th June. It was my second time. No snow at all forest road is all clear plues trail is clear there was some snow on the way but not on trail.
Clearance from the bottom of your vehicle is must. I went up in Honda pilot it bottomed out from the back just because i went little bit fast at one spot. If you know how to nevigate washouts on forest road you should be fine but 4X4 is must.
It is a great hike and worth it.
Posted: June 25, 2015 04:35:47 PM PST
Dana from Richmond writes:
The road is passable, though there are a number of cross ditches. AWD will certainly be helpful, but even more important if you want to avoid bottoming out as you negotiate the ditches is clearance. If your SUV rides low to the ground you will need to go very slowly and carefully to avoid scraping (or worse) your undercarriage.
If you've got a good amount of clearance (or skid plates!) and know how to handle such obstacles, you should be fine. Keep in mind Chipmunk Creek FSR (the road to the trailhead) is only something like 8km long, but usually takes close to an hour to drive.
I haven't been up so far this year (going this weekend), but given the relatively dry winter and warm temperatures we've been having, it should be snow free by now. I can post a report after this weekend.
Posted: June 25, 2015 12:42:49 AM PST
MK from Vancouver writes:
How rugged is the road to get to the parking lot / trailhead? most of the comments talk of snow but I figured its gone by now? Just wondering if a mid size SUV could get the job done? All Wheel Drive
Any assistance appreciated
Posted: June 23, 2015 06:39:42 PM PST
midvale from Vancouver writes:
We hiked up there June 15 and it was excellent. Trail was mostly dry, no snow on the trail except for maybe a 50m section near the top but this was on a section that veered to the left and you could avoid it by going up instead. Some bugs but few biting and wildflowers starting to bloom. Nice breeze and be warned; if you are hiking on a hot day there is very little shade on the trail. Cool up top and the views are spectacular!
Posted: June 14, 2015 09:23:19 PM PST
Randy from Abbotsford, BC writes:
Any current updates on the snow pack on Chiem near the top? We're planning a father's day hike.
Posted: June 14, 2015 06:56:24 PM PST
Gagandeep from Maple Ridge writes:
We are planning to do mount cheam on 15th June.
Have any one hiked mount cheam recently after 30th May? Weather is hot from many days. Just wondering should we attempt it or wait for couple of more weeks?
Posted: June 7, 2015 11:41:59 PM PST
Jeff from Chilliwack writes:
Went dirt biking up the Chipmunk Creek FSR today. Snow is clear all the way to the parking area at the end, and the runout of the road to the trailhead proper is clear. I didn't venture any further up the trail in my clunky MX boots, but if it isn't clear now, it will be soon.
Posted: May 30, 2015 09:10:12 PM PST
J from Van writes:
Also went today...snow was about a foot 1km into the trail. Really hard to actually followed the marked trail with all the snow but used our phones gps/google maps to show it and lead us in the right direction. Couple hundred metres from the top there was a lot more snow causing us to turn around.
Posted: May 23, 2015 05:56:41 PM PST
Aaron from Abbotsford writes:
Alright, so I just went up to cheam today. My 2015 rogue made it. Just have to take it slow with the washouts, most of them you can take at an angle. The trail is still covered In snow almost immediately. we weren't prepared with the right foot wear plus the heavy fog made it impossible to see any markings. We ended up turning back when one of our members slipped and slid about 30 feet down the mountain. Probably could be done by more experienced and prepared hikers.
Posted: May 23, 2015 02:58:03 PM PST
Jeff from Vancouver writes:
If anyone goes this week update please I'm planing to go the following week
:)
Posted: May 22, 2015 01:57:21 PM PST
Shelby from Vancouver writes:
I am thinking of hiking Cheam on Sunday has anyone been up there more recently than May 7th? Is there still snow up top? Thanks
Posted: May 22, 2015 08:12:18 AM PST
Liam from Vancouver writes:
There is currently 2 feet of snow 1.5 kms before reaching the start of the trail. I would recommend waiting until June before attempting the hike. When you approach the entrance of the trail, the snow reaches depths of up to 3 feet.
A stock 4x4 suv should have no problem driving through the rugged terrain when there is no snow. However, don't expect to be driving any faster than 15/km per hr for the 20 kms leading up to the trail.
Posted: May 7, 2015 11:16:05 PM PST
Aaron from Abbotsford writes:
I would like to hike cheam soon!
Is there a lot of a snow in may? Also, I drive a 2015 Nissan Rouge AWD, would that make it to the trail head without damaging anything? Or do I absolutely need something lifted.
Posted: May 4, 2015 12:24:57 AM PST
Alex from Langley writes:
Was thinking of next week and camping overnight up top. My buddy with the 4x4 has concerns of even getting close to the parking lot. Anyone been up there yet? Thanks.
Posted: April 30, 2015 08:20:32 PM PST
Greg from Langley writes:
Yes, I seem to be wondering the same things. Would love to do the hike this weekend but worried there will still be snow up there. any comments?
Posted: April 30, 2015 07:46:46 AM PST
Greg from Mission writes:
Has anyone climbed Mt Cheam? Is it advisable to wait until June-July?
Thanks,
Greg
Posted: April 14, 2015 01:12:30 PM PST
Stacie from Vancouver writes:
I am planning to do this hike this coming weekend..does anyone have an updated trail report?
Posted: March 25, 2015 10:24:22 AM PST
Eric from Vancouver writes:
You will get your front/rear bumper & underside scratched a lot, if u drive a Honda CRV or any other SUVs with regular ground clearance or even air suspension.
Posted: March 20, 2015 01:19:01 PM PST
Kaileigh from Maple Ridge writes:
Hey Brandon, did you end up doing this hike? I have the same questions myself.
Thanks!
Posted: March 8, 2015 09:13:46 PM PST
Brandon from Vancouver writes:
Hey guys,
I just have a few questions if anyone has any advise it would be much appreciated.
1.) Is it possible at all to do this hike in March or late February?
2.) Can you get to the base of the trail in a basic stock suv 4x4 or would you need a jacked up truck?
Thanks alot,
Brandon
Posted: February 17, 2015 01:27:28 AM PST
sara from vancouver writes:
Hi every one. My friend and I have plan to hike the mount cheam this upcoming Sunday( Nov 22, 2014) . does anybody know the current hiking condition over there as well as the road condition to drive up there?
Posted: November 19, 2014 02:14:21 PM PST
kelly from mission writes:
Hoping to do this hike tomorrow! October 29th 2014. Has anyone done it in the last week? I'm going with someone with experience but was just curious! thanks!
Posted: October 28, 2014 11:10:05 AM PST
Michael from Mission writes:
E Chan, you are not going to make it up the road in a car. The cross ditches are too numerous (about 30 of them) and deep that even if you went up at an angle you would bottom out and risk losing your oil pan.
Posted: October 18, 2014 06:22:15 PM PST
E Chan from Vancouver writes:
Just curious about the road conditions of the forest service road, did anyone take pictures of it? I just want to be sure my car is able to handle it and if I feel comfortable enough driving it myself. (It's just a little hard to gauge from what people are saying and I don't want to rattle my car too hard) Thanks!
Posted: October 18, 2014 06:17:58 PM PST
Kim from Surrey writes:
Arguably one of my all time favourite hikes. The drive up to the trail head is quite fun, you definitely need a 4x4. Trail is clearly marked. The beginning is a bit strenuous but the 360 degree views from the top make everything worth it. Absolutely incredible views! It's almost a surreal feeling.
Driving down seems to take forever, but I will still on that glorious high from being at the peak.
Be ready to encounter snow at any time of the year.
Posted: October 17, 2014 11:06:28 AM PST
Chelsea from Abbotsford writes:
Planning on doing this Sunday, October 19th. Is there going to be a lot of snow throughout the hike/do you think it is possible to do this hike with a 2 year old in a carrier?
Posted: October 17, 2014 08:15:48 AM PST
Josh from Langley writes:
***Road is open as of September 14***
After all the discussion of the difficulty of this road, it was honestly not that bad at all. I drive a ford f-150 that is totally stock with no crazy tires and it was no problems at all. Sure it would be nicer to have a shorter wheel base but if you take the bumps slow it is no problems at all. I saw people making it in a new crv with very little clearance. My running boards didn't even hit once. Long of the short, it was no problems.
The hike was absolutely stunning and I would say leans a bit more to the difficult side of intermediate. There is not much respite from the climbs but the views are spectacular all the way up. This gives you what most hikes don't give you, perfect 360 degree views. Everything is unobstructed and just amazing. I can't stress enough how incredible these views were.
Posted: September 14, 2014 03:48:12 PM PST
MD from Surrey writes:
Which website are you referring to?
I had seen "Mount Cheam Forest Service Road is closed due to road work from September 5th 2014 until September 10th 2014."
So may be open now..
Posted: September 12, 2014 05:17:58 PM PST
Marlo from Agassiz writes:
I was going to hike Mt.Cheam on Sunday, Sept 14 but the website says it is closed until the 14th. Does this mean it will be open the morning of the 14th or not until the 15th?
Posted: September 11, 2014 08:16:51 PM PST
Todd Smith from Vancouver writes:
John K - Made the trek up today only to find that the road is barricaded and there is a security guard. No access to the trailhead. That said, we drove up toward the saddle on the road that was open and there is an old trail from the valley via Bridal Falls. There are a few lookouts with spectacular views, but nowhere near the same as the peak. I'm told that you can get to the peak from there, but it was pretty thick, grown-in trail. Best to wait for the road to open.
Posted: September 7, 2014 02:14:27 AM PST
John K from Vancouver writes:
Saw the update about road closures on the road up. Anyone know if it's completely closed? The Fraser Valley Regional District site only mentioned delays.
Posted: September 6, 2014 04:19:49 PM PST
Michael from Mission writes:
Pros: Moderate Difficulty, steep but clearly defined trails. Beautiful meadows and views up top.
Cons: 300 people on trail when we went in August. Lots of unleashed dogs; one guy had 5 pitbulls - although well tamed can be inconsiderate for people with fear of that breed as they brush by your legs running ahead. Couple guys were blaring techno music while hiking up which detracts from the natural setting and experience; another guy was walking out with a handful of wild flowers he ripped out of the ground; some Europeans were trampling on the wild flowers to get a nice picture; road up is 10 kms but any 4x4 should have no problem going through the cross ditches (we even saw 2 cars which was outrageous).
Posted: August 25, 2014 01:47:14 PM PST
Justin T from Abbotsford writes:
The only Panoramic view mountain, hiking trail was not that hard, 10 km uphill logging trail was tough, lots of deep ditches, high clearance and reliable vehicle is necessary. Give 5 star to the view, and 1 star to the road condition.
Posted: July 31, 2014 12:38:05 AM PST
Kristy and Glenn Rempel from Mission BC writes:
Beautiful!!
As others have said, road up is tricky, lots of large cross ditches dug by forestry (as its a old logging road) . From the turn off, on the main paved road, to the top parking area is an hour drive. The trails are clearly obvious all the way up. Took us in total from parking lot up to top and back, 4.5 hrs. We stopped several times to rest or take pics or play in the snow :) We defiantly felt as tho we were on top of the world!! Go on a very clear day as the clouds may obstruct the amazing view. Cold at the top, but kinda refreshing. Have fun and don't go to close to the edge when your up at the top! x
Posted: July 27, 2014 09:31:05 AM PST
Eugene from Mission writes:
The machines were out today smoothing the road up but, there are some serious cross ditches. I made it up with put problems in my CRV with all seasons.
Posted: July 21, 2014 08:10:09 PM PST
Yevgeniy from Vancouver writes:
We did this today, July 18th. I am from Russia so I know thing or two about bad roads. I thought people were exaggerating a bit about it. They were not! We could not make it on Toyota Highlander. We made it past few rivets for about 2.2km and could not go any further and the road was getting even more difficult later on. You needs to have either manual 4X4 settings, which Highlander does not have, or vehicle with the shorter wheel base. There was RAM 2200 stuck in one of these rivets with the broken front axle. But we wanted to make it anyway, so we hikes extra 18km (return trip) to the parking lot. Hike to the peak is gorgeous! My wife is an avid hiker and she said it is one the best he has seen. There is still some snow on the ground, but it does not make the hike any more difficult. It was cold at the top, so pack light jacket. My wife swam at Spoon Lake, so grab a swim suite if you like to get refreshed on the way up or down. We planned for 5km hike so took only about 1.5l of water which was not nearly enough for what turned out to be 27km hike. Take more water if your car gets stuck, but you decide to hike anyway.
Posted: July 18, 2014 10:46:36 PM PST
Emma from Surrey writes:
I've heard alot about the road up to the trail head and that its really bad, would someone be able to hike up the road so they didnt have to drive up? Or is it quite a stretch?
Posted: July 17, 2014 01:09:23 PM PST
Tara from Maple Ridge writes:
Did this on Friday, July 11th. There was still snow, but it is doable, even in runners!
You definitely need a 4x4 as the rivets are quite deep, and to know how to navigate them properly. We got two flat tires on the way down- so be careful!
The hike is absolutely gorgeous though!
Posted: July 14, 2014 02:27:32 PM PST
Mikko from Delta writes:
Will a rav 4 or crv with 4wd be ok to make it up the fsr?
Posted: July 13, 2014 08:54:37 PM PST
Justin from Burnaby writes:
We went up Sunday June 21st, and there was still too much snow to summit without crampons due to icy conditions near the top. The parking lot at the trailhead was inaccesible due to snow on the service road. It was a 20 minute walk to the trailhead in snow. Bring some extra socks and shoes or water proof boots because you'll get wet.
Posted: June 22, 2014 07:04:46 PM PST
Nick Adamson from Langley writes:
I have hiked Cheam before, and I want to do it this Saturday (May 31, 2014).
Does anyone know what the conditions are like? Is there still snow on the top? I assume there is, but I know it's been a fairly mild winter so you never know.
Any information or websites that I could check out would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Nick
Posted: May 27, 2014 01:44:48 PM PST
Jan from Vancouver writes:
Hey I have never hiked mount Cheam before and now I feel that I have to. It sounds amazing! Anyways I hear that it is best later in the year but my only opportunity this year is to go at the end of may/early June. Maybe even the middle of June. Is it worth it to try? Is there just ways to much snow? Please let me know. Thanks :)
Posted: April 30, 2014 08:12:41 AM PST
Alex from New Westminster writes:
Just did the hike 11 November, 2013. I would like to say the hike was VERY NICE, we started 2.5 km. before trail starts, because is snow. You need to do it with snowshoes. Its good for alpine touring ski, we saw same people done this.
Posted: November 13, 2013 04:23:24 PM PST
Stephen from Chillawack writes:
Hey, I just moved to chillawack and drive a dodge charger but want to make this climb before the trail becomes too snow covered. If anyone is up to help me get to the tip I'll pay for gas and such.
Email: [email protected]
Posted: October 25, 2013 06:09:34 PM PST
Courtney from Delta writes:
This one has been on my must list and finally did it yesterday. The drive up the trailhead took 90 minutes in my 2011 Subaru Forester. People aren't exaggerating - its a bad drive. Big rocks, ditches, narrow. For portions of it you are basically driving up a 45 degree angle on nothing bug large loose rocks. Lost traction a couple of times but nothing too bad. Just back up a bit and try from a different angle. For anyone who has driven up to Cheakamus Lake that access road represents the GOOD parts of this road. Other vehicles in the parking lots included a Ford Escape, a couple of Wranglers, and a Suzuki Grand Vitara. High clearance is a must. There is a pit toilet at the start of the hike. AND it is one of the cleanest I have ever encountered.
It was a very hot day and there is very little shade. It is a beautiful hike and my friend and I kept thinking we were in the beginning of the Sound of Music. The grade is more like hiking Garibaldi in that it is a stead incline rather than walking up steps like The Chief or the Grind. Took just over 2 hours on the way up. Still lots of black flies up there. Took another 90 minutes to get down but there were some people who were running down.
Gorgeous hike and makes it worth the horrible drive up. There isn't a whole lot of cell service after you take the left at the three way stop by the bridge so keep that in mind if you are using google maps. We also missed the turn off for the access road so keep your eyes peeled. It's a pretty wide road with a sign post written vertically. Take lots of water if its a sunny day. Enjoy!
Posted: September 13, 2013 09:16:15 PM PST
Dungi from Burnaby writes:
Did it with my friend yesterday (Sept 10, 2013) and it was an experience of a lifetime. My friend drove his Jeep Wrangler to where we suppose to start the hike for an hour and it was quite a long and bumpy drive (I was driven so nothing much to complain) but make sure to go slow because you don't want to wreck your 4x4 with rocks! We met a guy who tried to drive himself with car but he gave up half way.
The view was amazing or breathtaking. To me it wasn't very tough. It was steep at most parts but the view was so nice that i got so excited and forgot all the tireness. We stopped at the peak for like 15 mins. Be careful, don't go too far beyond the cliff. And there are lots of lady bugs at the peak. They were so huge that you can see them very clearly in the photos. Oh there was one little cute chipmunk up there. He was brave, he wanted to jump on me as well.
It took us less than 2 hours to hike up and 30-45 mins to hike down. The hike was safe in my opinion, we didn't encounter any wildlife except for that little cute chipmunk.
Enjoy the hike! Very worthy to do it and finish it!
Posted: September 11, 2013 02:48:56 PM PST
Mani from Surrey writes:
@James - We did it around this time last year in a Lincoln Mark LT (you can look up the height specs)
You need to take the washouts diagonally and slowly. We made it up OK but did scrape the hitch a few times, no big deal
Posted: September 2, 2013 11:24:11 AM PST
James from Vancouver writes:
Hi everyone, looking to do this hike but want to know how the road conditions are.
I have a F-150 supercrew 4x4 but it's stock (no lift or aftermarket wheels/tires). It's min. running ground clearance is listed in the 8-9" range. I've been on a lot of deactivated logging roads and their conditions all vary so not sure how serious this one is.
Thanks for any input.
Posted: August 28, 2013 03:53:47 PM PST
Marceline Billis from Agassiz writes:
Yesterday I hiked Cheam with 3 other people. It was a experience of a lifetime
With the help and encouragement from my friends I made it to the top huffing and puffing stopping every 10 feet to get air but they staid with me.I am 76 and want to encourage anyone to stay fit and exercise with a healthy diet, anyone can do this. The saying goes" It is better to try and fail than never having tried at all.Marceline
Posted: August 16, 2013 07:09:26 PM PST
mike from surrey writes:
Trina, its not worth it to walk from the bottom. I guess at least two to three hours. You may be able to make it half way up in a two wheel car. There are some pullouts for parking. Maybe a mountain bike ?
Posted: August 11, 2013 06:05:56 PM PST
Trina from Vancouver writes:
Thinking about doing the hike next week. I was wondering if its possible to just walk the gravel roads instead of driving a 4x4. If so, how long will it take to get to the parking lot?
Posted: August 8, 2013 09:21:30 PM PST
Sam from Burnaby writes:
Did this yesterday.
Definitely concur with the others. You do need a high clearance vehicle. We did see a guy who came down a bit too fast, hit low ground and cracked his oil pan.
We also had an accident yesterday, close to the final stretch there is about a 600m of almost a 45 degree climb. You definitely need low gear to power through it, there are too many rocks to drive up fast.
But, the views are nothing short of spectacular. Even though it took us 3 hours from Vancouver each way, the hike itself was totally worth it. Still a few patches of snow that you walk across, but a few of us enjoyed sliding down.
Posted: July 22, 2013 09:58:50 AM PST
Richard from Vancouver writes:
How is the current status ?
Did it last year August. Just want to say:
If you do not have 4*4 drive, it is probably fine, but MUST need a high suspension vehicle, either a truck or a Jeep.
Never want to risk a regular car onto Cheam.
View is 5 star. You get good views even before the trail head.
Posted: July 16, 2013 10:25:09 PM PST
Kevin from Chilliwack writes:
anyone have an update on Cheam hiking conditions?
Snow on trail?
Thanks,
Kevin
Posted: July 13, 2013 07:31:53 AM PST
Moj from Vancouver writes:
Dear friends, is it possible for camping and stay overnight there? if yes were is the best place? Thanks
Posted: July 9, 2013 02:54:13 PM PST
Brendan from Vancouver writes:
I am thinking about attempting to hike the Cheam tomorrow (June 22 2013). I expect to hit snow but I want to see how clear it is. I have never done it before but have a 4x4. If anyone is interested in sharing the adventure send me a shout at [email protected]. I will be leaving from the Kits area of Vancouver which means I'll be in the Chilliwack area by 9-10am-ish. The weather doesn't look spectacular so just know that ahead of time.
Posted: June 21, 2013 12:17:35 PM PST
shaun from surrey writes:
hi, me and my friend would like to hike along with someone with 4x4 :) will share gas, snacks
Posted: June 15, 2013 09:22:30 AM PST
Jim from North Vancouver writes:
I was there yesterday (May 21st. 2013)
Obviously trail is covered with tons of snow, you should wait until late June or July to gain access to trail. I had snowshoes but decided not to finish. Too dangerous. You do need a proper 4X4 vehicle with high ground clearance to reach trail head. You are almost guaranteed to stuck if you drive 2WD sedan. No cell phone signal up there as well.
Posted: May 21, 2013 06:40:12 PM PST
Jasmine from Abbotsford writes:
Looking for someone to climb Mt. Cheam with in late July or August. Please email me at [email protected]
Thanks!
Posted: May 4, 2013 01:44:40 PM PST
seosi from surrey writes:
planning to go up mt.cheam this june is that posible by car? and how is the road condition.
Posted: May 2, 2013 05:21:40 PM PST
alabama from abby writes:
Does anyone know if you can snowshoe mt cheam this time of year, Safely?? Thanks.
Posted: March 22, 2013 07:07:15 AM PST
Nathan from Abbotsford writes:
We did Mt.Cheam on Sept 22. In all honesty the road was actually better than some peoples comments would lead you to believe. I drove up in 2wd without issue. Its a typical forestry road. Take it slow and easy and you'll be fine.
The weather was quite overcast as we left Abbotsford which turned to fog as we climbed to the parking area. However once on the trail the cloud would come and go. Once we reached the top we were on top of the clouds. So while there wasn't any view of the valley the surrounding peaks jutting out of the cloud is still a spectacular sight.
Posted: September 23, 2012 10:51:05 AM PST
Alex from Burnaby writes:
Made a Cheam on 15th. Used to drive on Suzuki SX4 almost to the trailhead. Forest road took about an hour, each direction. No way next time :)
x4 is good, helped a lot. But lack of clearance was my headache.
Other than that - the mountains were gourgeous. Beautiful meadows, Baker in the sunset light, valley view - love them all. Trail is not very easy though, made frequent stops with my 6yo daughter. For sure the previous trail other day to Garibaldi lake was less exhausting.
Special thanks to a couple from Surrey/Chilliwack and their Jeep. They gave us a lift to our car in complete darkness on the road back. My small group of four and these guys were the last on the trail, and my car was about 1.5-2km down the hill from the parking lot. It saved us lots of time that night. Thank you!
Posted: September 20, 2012 02:12:16 AM PST
Mani D from Surrey writes:
Did the hike on Thursday...AMAZING...don't need a 4x4 necessarily, but need high clearance for sure...we went up in a Lincoln mark truck and scraped the hitch/sidebars a few times...
Posted: September 16, 2012 02:38:31 PM PST
Kailah from Surrey writes:
I would LOVE to do this hike on a thursday or a friday (my days off) before the weather turns yucky. I have been waiting for a meetup hike to be organized for Mount Cheam but it has not and I do not own a 4x4 vehicle to organize one by myself. If anyone is looking at going up that has a 4x4 vehicle I would love to join you!
Posted: September 13, 2012 11:16:18 PM PST
Edgars from Vancouver writes:
Did the nice hike today. I managed to get up with a big SUV -Yukon XL - we where 7 people- easy with patience we crawled with our SUV the small ditches. You can easy reach the summit with a Ford Escape, Honda CRV, Toyora RAV4, Nissan X-trail - all these vehicles where up there today. Its not hard to master the forestry roads just be patience and not fast. The hike it self - pretty easy not too steep and gives you great views over the valley and on the other side Mount Baker.
Posted: August 19, 2012 11:29:21 PM PST
Linda from Surrey writes:
My friend and I did this on August 16 and the conditions were perfect - both trail conditions and weather. The road is a challenge, but with care we were able to make it up in my Forester. We did have boards in the car in case a ditch was too deep, and we had to use them once. This hike is definitely worth doing - even if you don't get to the top. However, the ultimate thrill is climbing those last steps to get the iconic picture of one sitting on top of the peak.
Posted: August 18, 2012 10:34:27 PM PST
Alan from Vancouver writes:
We did Mt. Cheam today. This was the first time I have done it. I suspect the road is as good as it gets. The road is mostly dry, with some small water streams which are not a problem. However, the size of the washouts are significant. I would highly recommend using 4 by 4 trucks and jeeps. You would risk bottoming out on lower suspension passenger type suv's. Having said that, I saw a couple of passenger type suv's among the trucks & jeeps. The ride is an adventure in itself!
The hike was truly amazing with great views.
ps: it was really hot today, but it was nice to have a breeze to cool us off. I know it is rather variable, but I would suggest a min. of 2.5 L of water per person.
Posted: August 11, 2012 10:45:20 PM PST
Jack from Lower Mainland writes:
Any news on how ruff the road up is? It was bad last year... any changes?
Posted: August 10, 2012 07:21:37 PM PST
Gary Trinder from Mission writes:
Aug 4, 2012 - Did the hike today. Ideal conditions and started off early. 1 car in the car park when we left at it at 07:45. 22 cars when we got back at mid day. Good visibility at the top and good trail conditions.
Posted: August 4, 2012 06:38:43 PM PST
Tracy from Vancouver writes:
I am thinking of doing this hike on Sunday (July 29, 12). We do have a 4x4 SUV, but Im looking for both road conditions & trail conditions (how much snow is up there still?). Has anyone hiked Cheam in the last few days? Thanks :)cm9vts
Posted: July 28, 2012 10:04:42 AM PST
Chris from White Rock writes:
The road starts getting rough just after the gravel pit on the chipmunk creek service road. You could park there and walk but it would be around 10km to the trailhead.
Posted: July 26, 2012 04:34:14 PM PST
dan from port coquitlam writes:
im think of doing this on Saturday. I dont have a 4x4 so plan on parking at the start of the dirt road, how far is it to the trail head from the dirt road?
Posted: July 26, 2012 02:04:28 PM PST
Casey from Chilliwack writes:
I was wondering if anyone had taken young children up. We are thinking of a family hike in late August and were planning on bringing two 3-year-olds, a 2-year-old and an infant. We know we will have to carry them up in hiking carriers, but I'm wondering if it's even worth it and if it would be quite dangerous or not. I know I hiked Cheam a number of times when I was young, but now that it's my own kids, I'm a little hesitant and thinking of leaving them with a sitter. The only problem with that is that I'd love to have a full family picture at the top!
Posted: July 21, 2012 05:08:45 PM PST
Tanja from Chilliwack writes:
Was planning on hiking Mt. Cheam this weekend (july 21). Still too much snow? Any recent adventures up there?
Posted: July 17, 2012 07:39:59 AM PST
Mike from Burnaby writes:
@Maria No, you definitely don't want to be driving up this road in a small car, or any car for that matter. As far as gravel roads go, this one is rough. There is a stream that cuts through the road that you have to drive through and a car wouldn't make it. Also, some huge rocks near the top section would cause lots of damage to the underside of your car.
It's too bad this road isn't fixed up a bit because it's a beautiful hike but difficult and dangerous to get to.
Posted: July 15, 2012 11:25:40 AM PST
Maria from Vancouver writes:
I want to do the Cheam but I do not have a 4X4. Do you think a small car would make it if I drove really carefully?
Posted: July 15, 2012 12:54:24 AM PST
Spencer from Agassiz writes:
My buddy Brian and I attempted Cheam on June 10th and again on the 26th. It was overcast both days and once in the clouds it was quite dangerous (freezing rain on the 26th). We had never hiked the trail in summer so didn't know which way to go other than what we could gather from the internet. There was 8-10 feet of snow still at Spoon Lake (based on the snow depth along the creek there). We hiked straight uphill past Spoon Lake about 500 feet in elevation (likely following the foot prints of the guys who went on May 19th), but turned back near a ridge line. Clear visibility was about 20 feet in the clouds. Now that the sun has shown itself, I'd still recommend taking cramp-ons (and ropes if it's a cloudy day). If not, then at least good hiking boots and poles. That's all I had, but I would have preferred cramp-ons. The road up didn't look too bad up to the snow pack, but we had no 4x4 so parked at the gravel pit at the bottom of the mountain. If you're serious about hiking, I'm sure it'd be fairly easy on a clear day with the right gear.
Posted: July 12, 2012 02:36:26 PM PST
Heather from Steveston writes:
We were up at Cheam today. You can't drive up to the trailhead; the snow starts about 2km from there and is about 3 feet deep. We hiked to what we thought was Spoon Lake, but we couldn't really be sure because there was so much snow. It was a nice sunny day in the mountains, but if you'd like to make it to the peak, I don't recommend going in until at least August.
Posted: July 4, 2012 09:14:59 PM PST
Justin from Langley writes:
Just curious as to what the conditions are right now at Cheam. its been over a month since the last update. . . Is there still snow on the "road" up to the parking lot and what is the now condition on the mountain itself.
Posted: June 22, 2012 11:47:12 PM PST
Rob from Chilliwack writes:
Just did the hike yesterday (May 19). Expect lots of snow and an extra 2km hike because of the snow on the road. I've got a Jeep with lots of clearance and snow tires, and made it up the farthest, but getting through some of the patches of snow was still difficult especially the snow covered cross ditches. 2 hours up regularly turned into nearly 7 hours up. Rode down on our packs and made it down in an hour and a half. I'd recommend boots and snowshoes and extra socks, sunscreen and a crazy carpet for the ride down if you're really up for it at this time of year. We're the only ones that made it up yesterday, took awhile, but the view was spectacular.
Posted: May 20, 2012 01:53:07 PM PST
Rob from Chilliwack writes:
Hiked Cheam yesterday (May 19) with a couple of buddies. There is still LOTS of snow all the way up, and for a good majority on the chipmunk trail. You will NOT make it to the parking lot, not even on a dirtbike or a quad, we saw trucks, quads and bikes try it, and failed. We had to park a couple of KM's down from the parking area and start our hike from there. There are snowy patches on the road up until the steepest switchback that any truck should be able to manage depending on driving skills, but be aware of the softer ground as your tires will slip on the snow and send you sideways towards the cliff.
We skipped the main trail altogether and took the "quickest" line straight up the mountain with our boots sinking a good foot into the slushy snow with every step. If you're not the keenest hiker, don't attempt this hike at this time of year. Once we made it halfway, we pretty much wanted to quit, but still made it to the top. It was very rewarding once we made it at around 6pm after we parked at 11:30. Yep, 6 hours up when it should take less than 2 hours. But we were able to take the quick way down and slid down the steepest parts on our packs. We even got video of the sliding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLe1R2A9cOI&feature=youtu.be
We were the only people to make it, as the 2 guys in front of us quit and turned around an hour from the top. Got back home to Chilliwack at 9pm. It was a great adventure. Bring extra socks, boots and snowshoes, and a sweater because it gets cold up top, even on a 20 deg day like yesterday.
Posted: May 20, 2012 11:36:26 AM PST
Ravina from Abbotsford writes:
Has anyone done the Cheam recently? Is it worth doing or is there too much snow up top?
Thanks!
Posted: May 10, 2012 09:25:19 AM PST
Brandon from Sask writes:
Did the hike Oct. 23, lower part of the trail was good. Some snow close to the peak but still manageable in hiking boots. Several groups said they had seen bears in the high sections of the meadows, but I never ended up seeing any.
Road up was a rough FSR, but I made it to the top in my VW Golf (did some undercarriage scrapping though)so anything higher should easily make it up if you take your time on the washouts.
Posted: October 30, 2011 08:15:41 PM PST
Pat from Vancouver writes:
I am happy to report that Pat did the right thing and he returned my bike to us this evening. :)
Posted: September 20, 2011 10:04:15 PM PST
Pat from Vancouver writes:
Regarding "Pat from Chilliwack" Careful if you go with "Pat" He/She stole my families bikes a day ago and is now selling them on craigslist. I have multiple pictures of myself and kids on our bikes so can verify 100% that these are our bikes. I contacted him and he is in a huge hurry to sell them and gave me his phone number which is the same one on here. I did file a police report. So please stay cautious, be very careful who you meet up with since you can have no clue who they really are these days! :(
Posted: September 20, 2011 12:41:40 PM PST
Miyuki from Vancouver writes:
We did this hike on September 10. The road up is rough; we have a 2003 Subaru Forester and would have made it to the parking lot but with the tires being a little worn we parked at the base of a steep hill approx. 2 km from the parking lot (not knowing it got better past it) and hoofed it from there. Take your time in the dips and as another writer said, sometimes taking them at a slight angle helps.
Contrary to the trail description, there is an outhouse at the trailhead.
The trail itself is in good shape with a few snowy patches but nothing that hiking boots can't handle. There is a profusion of wildflowers en route which make it quite spectacular. I would not recommend this hike on a hot day though, as there is very little shade, and the heat makes the going slower than it otherwise would be. Lots of bugs to start, although they lessen toward the top.
The view from the top is outstanding, even with the haze we had. I would definitely do this again, but on a much cooler day!
Posted: September 11, 2011 11:44:50 AM PST
William from Coquitlam writes:
I'm thinking of heading up to Cheam this weekend.
I've read the earlier comments about road conditions and vehicle requirements, clearance, de-activations, etc. I have a 4WD Suburban but I'm concerned that the road will be too rough for my truck because my truck is not lifted so I don't have outstanding clearance. Also, my Suburban is longer than most 4x4 vehicles.
Has anybody been up there recently who could comment on my particular mode of transportation?
Posted: September 9, 2011 03:49:09 PM PST
Brittany from Chilliwack writes:
Hello, will there be anybody heading up there that would be able to give a lift to three students :) we will be driving to the bottom, but will most likely need a lift up since the truck isn't in the best shape. We will help out with gas.
Thank you
Posted: September 5, 2011 10:35:12 PM PST
pat from chilliwack writes:
Hi...I would like to head up Cheam tomorrow sept 2 or 3 and will pay for gas...I dont have a 4wd
Can meet anywhere
604-764-9694
Posted: September 2, 2011 07:26:09 PM PST
Pradeep Reddy from Burnaby writes:
Hello Jeff,
I was just there Sat'day (27th Aug) and there is not much snow at all there, except for patches here and there... One 25m patch that you need to crossed on the way up and down etc.. Other than that, nothing much really...
Its gorgeous there - go check it out..
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Jeff from Chilliwack writes:
I'm planning to hike this weekend and am wondering how the snow is now? Anyone been up there the last couple of days?
Posted: August 25, 2011 11:14:26 AM PST
Posted: August 28, 2011 01:32:31 AM PST
Jeff from Chilliwack writes:
I'm planning to hike this weekend and am wondering how the snow is now? Anyone been up there the last couple of days?
Posted: August 25, 2011 11:14:26 AM PST
Isabella from Vancouver writes:
See my post below for more details.
My boyfriend did the Off-Road driving. He has a lot of experience driving on logging roads, and it took us 1hr each way. It was very bumpy and required a lot of attention.
The 4.5 hrs description is quite accurate. We stopped for 0.5hr on the top for snacks, and hiked casually with frequent stops if we got tired. Took us exactly 2hrs to get to the top, and just under 2hrs to get back.
Posted: August 22, 2011 10:36:19 PM PST
Rick from Abbotsford. writes:
Hi - wondering if the 4.5 hrs as stated by Vancouver trails is accurate?? Or do I need to allow more time??
Cheers
Posted: August 22, 2011 09:51:42 AM PST
Chantal from Abbotsford writes:
Has anyone been up there recently? I'd like to go but I don't have any gear to hike in the snow so I am hoping our recent hot weather has melted the snow.
Posted: August 20, 2011 05:34:49 PM PST
Linda from Surrey writes:
We are thinking of hiking this at the end of August, but I'm concerned by the comment about the 99 "road deviations." Has anyone done the road since that comment was written? I haven't done much off-road driving, but drove up to the locked gate at Ford Mtn. the other day in my Subaru Forester and was comfortable with that. I'd appreciate a comment on the Mt. Cheam road by someone with more off-road experience than what I have... any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
Posted: August 20, 2011 09:40:10 AM PST
Isabella from Vancouver writes:
Did this hike on Aug 7. It was our first time. Did not see the spoon lake. The whole area of where the lake should be and the lower bank was covered in deep snow. The sun was very bright and we didn't wear sunglasses. The light reflecting off the snow, while walking on the snow was quite unpleasant, especially for it being the beginning of the hike. I wore out much of my energy at this part. After the snow, it was better but a little muddy at some spots. More snow to come. We both only fell once on the way down (we had hiking boots). We didn't see views on top except for clouds and blue sky above us. On the way down, seeing the sun setting was beautiful though.
Posted: August 20, 2011 07:41:46 AM PST
Patricia from Vancouver writes:
We counted 99 road deactivations --> one way!
So, in essence, you've got ~200 of these suckers to go through...some rougher than others. That's not including the pot holes or rocky terrain or steep drop-offs (on occasion closer to the top).
The deactivations get rougher toward the top.
A lower riding SUV/4x4 truck will feel it on both the front and back bumpers. Taller vehicles, probably not a problem. We were somewhere in the middle and experienced a few scrapings. We found going through some of them at an angle helped to prevent a lot of scrapes. Also, it was easier going down...could see more.
For those who decide to go back, there aren't too many places to safely turn around, unless you are used to driving in these conditions.
Other than the snarly road conditions, it was absolutely amazing!!! :D
Posted: August 13, 2011 11:03:55 PM PST
Cheryl from Coquitlam writes:
I do not recommend going up Cheam without trekking poles and possibly snow shoes/crampons at this time. I went this past weekend, August 6th, and was shocked by the amount of snow still on the mountain. On the way up my party and I felt the snow did not make hiking up the mountain impossible and we continued on. Unfortunately, as the day progressed and things heated up, the snow began to melt - making the way down a lot more dangerous. I fell a few times on the snow and resorted to sliding down on my butt more than once - as falling seemed inevitable anyways. We were passed by a couple of fellows with crampons and ice axes on our way up and I really wished we had been as well prepared as they were. We just didn't even think in August that that would ever be necessary. We were wrong!
Posted: August 8, 2011 10:05:00 AM PST
Grace from burnaby writes:
I have hiked to the Mt Cheam three times in the past three years, I haven't been there this year yet, I plan go to hike Mt Cheam this weekend ( august 12th).
Has anyone hiked-up to the Mt Cheam recently? Is still a lots snow there?
Posted: August 7, 2011 12:34:26 PM PST
Punjabi Lion from Surrey writes:
Tried this a couple weeks ago. Still a lot of snow... Doubtful you will make the parking lot. Be advised that trail is in ruff shape. We made it as far as the snow in our tacoma, but I saw guys in f-150's turning back not even half way up.. Wait till end of august..
Posted: July 17, 2011 05:39:09 PM PST
Isaiah from Dahl writes:
Has anyone done this hike latley, i was planning on doing this tomorrow and i want to know what the roads are like leading up to it, or is tehre too much snow
Posted: July 9, 2011 08:47:54 PM PST
Rashmi from Vancouver writes:
I tried this hike on 1st July . But due to snow could not even reach the parking lot. Still more than one foot snow there. Also to reach the head of trail, one need a proper 4X4 vehicle. The road is quite steep and full of ditches and gravels. Not recommended for beginner drivers.
Though the view is all worth the effort. Would love to try again.
Posted: July 5, 2011 12:16:21 AM PST
Bobby from Vancouver writes:
After you reach Cheam, go to its even more spectacular neighbor, the Lady Peak. Just beware the rubble which makes it a tricky scramble to the top!
Posted: June 12, 2011 02:08:42 AM PST
Jack from Burnaby writes:
I had been considering hiking there this Saturday (Oct 2, nice weather), until I read about this 4x4 thing. So sad I don't have one.
Does anyone mind taking me this weekend? I will share gas.
Posted: September 28, 2010 09:05:20 PM PST
Jen from Surrey writes:
I'm planning to head out and hike this tomorrow (Sunday Sept 19th) if anyone would like to join/split gas.
If you're coming from Vancouver I could pick you up from transit, otherwise can meet off the #1 hwy and head from there.
I have a 4x4.
Thanks!
Posted: September 18, 2010 06:24:49 PM PST
Mike from Burnaby writes:
I haven't been this year but last year I bent my trailer hitch slightly crossing a creek that cut through the gravel road. I'd remove it if I were you. Pretty rough road!
Posted: August 13, 2010 06:58:22 AM PST
Heather from Abbotsford writes:
I have Hiked Mt.Cheam every year for 9 years...going on saturday does anyone have any info on the roads up to the trail...I do have a 4x4 but I have a trailer hitch should I take the hitch off before going up? I have a Ford Explorer 4x4
Posted: August 13, 2010 06:42:59 AM PST
Jowat from Abbotsford writes:
Just did the hike yesterday. I'd say about 25% of the hike was still in snow; but very well packed and easy to keep to the trail even for 1st timers to Cheam. The peak was very windy and cold. clouds blocked the view. oh well... 2hrs up 45mins down. The drive took 45mins on logging roads. Many washouts/deactivated sections. I wouldn't attempt the road with a 2wd truck (unless you don't care about was happens to your truck). 4x4s only. There were 2 broken down trucks on the drive up due to overheating.
Posted: July 12, 2010 10:45:10 PM PST
jetz from Vancouver writes:
Has anyone done this hike lately? How are the roads heading up to the parking lot, and how are the trails?
Last year in June, we were unable to complete the hike due to snow and time.
Looking forward to doing this hike again. Just looking for some updates.
Thanks!
Posted: July 6, 2010 05:12:43 PM PST
Fei from Chilliwack writes:
Can I tag along? I can share with gas, or bring snacks. Thanks.
Posted: May 28, 2010 12:24:47 PM PST
alex from vancouver writes:
Hi Brian,
I'd like to do this hike, probably in early july - I'll be glad to take you along. Send me your email so we can keep in touch and I'll warn you when I go.
cheers
Posted: May 5, 2010 10:44:49 PM PST
Brian from Delta writes:
Since I don't have a 4x4.. would anyone be kind enough to take me with them on this trail.. I'll pay for gas as appreciation!
Posted: May 4, 2010 04:55:32 PM PST
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Herbert from Chilliwack writes:
Road was easy for a stock Jeep. Saw many Jeeps and 4Runners at the parking lot, and some pickups - F150, Ram 1500, Tacoma. None looked heavily modified, most looked stock. Only 2 washouts to be concerned about, but easy lines available for both. Blindly charging up the road is not the way to go, highly recommend planning out a line especially at the washouts.
Hike was beautiful and breeze was cooling. Really beautiful flowers and meadows and of course a great view at the top.
Be aware of your angles coming down, vehicles with longer front overhangs/smaller approach angles may struggle.
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